Prevo's right, sort of

By Ivan Moore
Published on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:52 PM AKDT



I’m reading a book right now called I’m looking through you by Jennifer Finney Boylan, a very gifted writer who started life as a male. She describes her experience as a child coming to terms with her sexual identity with the following words:

“It’s probably worth mentioning—just in case this still needs to be said—that the thing I felt didn’t have much to do with being gay or lesbian; it was, even then, not about who I wanted to go to bed with, but who I wanted to go to bed as.”

Her “gender identity,” i.e. who she felt right as, had little to do with who she wanted to do the jiggy with, i.e. her sexual orientation. Go figure. So why are the two concepts being mixed together in the ordinance the Assembly is considering June 9? In case you haven’t seen it, it reads as follows:

“Sexual orientation means actual or perceived heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality or gender expression or identity. As used in this definition, ‘gender expression or identity’ means having or being perceived as having a self-image, appearance, or behavior different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned to that person at birth.”

Sexual orientation is a relatively recent term. Lately, it has supplanted “sexual preference” as the favored descriptor among clinicians and psychologists, and that change has been reflected in general usage, at least among more discerning and intelligent people. Dan Fagan continues to talk about sexual preference, but… whatever.

Sexual preference was considered non-ideal because it implied a choice where there’s little evidence to suggest that one exists. Or that it doesn’t. (The fact that it’s obvious is irrelevant.) And secondly, it fell out of vogue because it confused the issues of orientation, i.e. who you are attracted to, with sexual identity and behavior, i.e. what you prefer to be and prefer to do.

Nearly all secular definitions of sexual orientation are very simple. It’s who you are sexually attracted to, and can be considered to be a straight line from homosexual to heterosexual, and all points in between. It has nothing to do with your behavior… whether, for example, you like wearing women’s panties or enjoy any of the 30 or so “paraphilias” that Prevo has been at pains to draw our attention to. Telephone scatalogia? My, my…

By contrast, religious definitions of sexual orientation all intermingle the concepts of gender identity and sexual behaviors, all of them filthy nasty, for no other reason than because it’s in their puritanical interests to do so.

The shockingly numbnuts move here was that the AKCLU and Pat Flynn and whoever else was responsible for crafting this ordinance played right into their bigoted hands by including gender identity and gender expression as “subsets” of sexual orientation.

Gender expression? I tell you, JERRY PREVO IS RIGHT! Some guy with a beard is going to get dolled up in a fearsomely attractive outfit and go hang out in the ladies bathroom in City Hall, looking for a lawsuit. Men aren’t going to be lining up to troll the ladies bathroom looking to “prey on women and children” like the loopy right says they will, but the fact that the law could be made an example of in this way shows that it is bad public policy. I bet you someone does it, just to make a point.

On June 9, the Assembly should cut the words “or gender expression or identity” and the related language, and simplify the ordinance down to its real intent, to protect gays from being discriminated against. Gender expression and identity are simply not nice tidy subsets of sexual orientation, and so their placement as such is wrong.  Personally, I think they should consider the inclusion of gender identity, but separately from orientation.  Gender expression should be gotten rid of entirely, the mostly heterosexual crossdressers can just freaking do it in private, and the drag queens… well they don’t care, they like the controversy anyway.

So old Jerry Prevo has a point. I think we’re all served best in the end by considering what he says with some thoughtfulness, by looking through his bigotry and the often flat out un-Christian nature of what he says, and acknowledging that he has some valid concerns. Even if that’s not what he deserves.

To Jennifer Finney Boylan, yes, it is worth mentioning, and unfortunately it still needs to be said. Thanks for saying it. I think I’ll send your book to Mr. Prevo when I’m done with it.

Ivan Moore is an Anchorage pollster who was once discriminated against based on his citizenship. Citizenship, however, is not the same as national origin.


Comments

15 comment(s)

    Ivan Moore wrote on Jun 6, 2009 5:07 AM:

    " a few things... the following states outlaw discrimination based on gender identity or expression: California, Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia. Hardly a hard line right wing list of states. Alaska is not going to get added to this list without a fight. "

    kim wrote on Jun 5, 2009 9:22 PM:

    " Re-reading Ivan's comments, It *is* divide and conquer, throwing trans people under the bus.

    Ivan is unambiguously saying that gender identity should be left off if it might prevent LGB-without-the-T protections from passing. You're advocating for protection for "straight-acting" gay and lesbian people.

    Gender identity and expression has been protected in 13 states and >100 cities and counties, for up to thirty years. Any problems should be obvious.

    See the Transgender Law and Policy Institute for more on this issue. "

    kim wrote on Jun 5, 2009 9:02 PM:

    " Ivan - other states have included gender identity and expression as part of the definition of sexual orientation, because 1) sometimes it's the most likely way to get protection for gender identity and gender expression, and 2) often when gay and lesbian people are targeted it's not that the perpetrator knows who they sleep with, it's that they see a feminine man or a masculine woman.

    Protection against discrimination based on gender identity or expression protects everyone, including straight people, from being discriminated against for not being as masculine or as feminine as someone else thinks they should be. "

    Mel Green wrote on Jun 4, 2009 7:47 PM:

    " Well, I guess we can equivocate about the meaning of the metaphor "to throw someone under the bus", but sure seems like removing gender identity/expression out of the ordinance rates.

    My longer response goes over 100 words, so won't fit here. It does, however, fit on my blog. Can't post URLs, but current topmost post at Henkimaa dot com. "

    Ivan Moore wrote on Jun 4, 2009 4:00 PM:

    " Sage, there is no "tactic" here. I am not trying to divide and conquer, that's absurd. If I have an agenda here at all, it is to see something get passed that is amenable to both sides. I think the religious right would live with the ordinance just on gay-straight orientation. The way it's written right now, I think it comes back to us as an initiative, it will go to the voters, the community will really fight a war, and your "side", knowing Anchorage, may end up with NOTHING. "

    Sage wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:58 PM:

    " The issue is one of social justice and equality - values which are at the foundation of our country. Prejudice and intolerance, especially religious intolerance, support injustice and work against our basic humanity.

    Focusing on sexual orientation versus sexual identification is a divide and conquor tactic. Everyone deserves equal protection under the law - everyone.

    Men using the women's bathroom is a red herring strategy and a scare tactic. Unisex restrooms exist quite successfully as the social norm in many countries. In fact, I have a unisex restroom in my very own home. "

    Brendan Joel Kelley wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:55 PM:

    " Mel's right, Halcro's column fantastically illustrated the absurdity of it all. So i wanted to include a link - alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/politics/1208-beware-of-beards-in-womens-bathrooms
    Please check it out.

    Brendan Joel Kelley
    Associate Editor
    bjk@anchoragepress.com "

    Mel Green wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:44 PM:

    " Well of course. Andrew Halcro made the absurdity of Prevo's "beardos in the bathroom" hysteria much more elegantly in Alaska Dispatch the other day.

    Meantime, however, I'm a female, a lesbian, but whose gender expression has never been -- to my mother's chagrin -- particularly "feminine." Without protection on the basis of gender expression, anyone could fire me just because I don't dress femininely. Men can be fired because they seem feminine, even if they're straight men. That's why gender expression's in there too. "

    Ivan Moore wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:40 AM:

    " also... I've changed my mind on one point. If a beardo dressed up as a woman and hung out in the ladies restroom, he would probably still be arrested and led out in cuffs. Just because a man could be guaranteed freedom from discrimination based on gender appearance, that wouldn't make him a woman. And last time I looked, men weren't allowed in the ladies'. "

    Ivan Moore wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:22 AM:

    " Hi Stef,

    First of all, I haven't been taken in by Prevo's disinformation. I'm appalled by it. But that doesn't stop me from recognizing when he may have a point, and certainly on the gender appearance stuff, he does.

    Second, I'm not throwing anyone under the bus. I would be the first to vote in favor of gender identity as a separate protected class if I was on the assembly. But it just doesn't belong under the umbrella of orientation. "

    stef gingrich wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:37 AM:

    " Ivan, I'm disappointed that you have been taken in by Prevo's disinformation divide and conquer tactics. Don't appease bullies.
    Gender Identity is about who a person is inside, not who they are drawn to as their life partner.
    Trans people mostly quietly live their lives without drawing attention, and do no one any harm. They are in some ways subject to more discrimination than lesbians and gays. I will not accept throwing them to the wolves in order to be covered by civil rights protection myself. This is not a compromise, it would render the ordinance pointless. "

    Mel Green wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:25 AM:

    " Sure, the LGBT community here calls it the LGBT community too -- Obama is merely acknowledging the usage we already use.

    But while Ivan Moore is correct that sexual orientation & gender identity being separate things, seems that for this go 'round he's willing to throw transfolk under the bus. The Assembly should "simplify the ordinance down to its real intent, to protect gays from being discriminated against." The real intent of the ordinance is also to protect transfolk from discrimination. Not later. Now. They deserve protection from discrimination as much as I (a lesbian) do. "

    John wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " Ivan's polls are usually accurate, and his opinions are also worth considering. He makes a good point here. I think Sexual Identity is also worth protecting, but it is different than Sexual Orientation (or preference if you prefer). Let's take the easy one first and see how that works. "

    Ivan Moore wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:41 AM:

    " Note Obama's words from just a couple of days ago... "During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity." While he uses the acronym LGBT and thus considers them a unified "community", he also distinguishes between sexual orientation and sexual identity in the equal rights language. Correctly in my view. "

    Chacha wrote on Jun 3, 2009 4:59 PM:

    " I usually don't agree with Ivan, I think he's a terrible pollster who only cares about himself. However, he makes a good point here. "

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